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mashed in maryland
10:15 Mon Jan 9
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I see overbuyer is still accusing me, Surf and 8 of being the same person, as it's so inconcievable in his world that more than one person disagrees with him.
Anyway; how to solve the NHS in one easy step:
Deny free treatment to:
Druggies
Alcies
The obese
Smokers
People who want sex changes
Drunk drivers
Immigrants who've been here less than 5 years
Probably people with AIDS as well, if they got it through bumming without a condom
Its harsh but it'll encourage people to look after themselves more, therefore eliminating the need for treatment in the first place.
This will never happen though as we in the UK have been conditioned to think - understandably and I'm guilty of this too - that we are "entitled" to free healthcare. Unfortunately the reality is we're not. Healthcare is money and labour. No one is entitled to someone else's hard work.
Money saved can be put into care in the community stuff as well, which some bits of the NHS are already sort of pushing towards (providing home care for OAPs instead of bringing them into hospital for example, where a lot of them end up never returning from, I'm sure a few on here will have experience of this). Prevention is ALWAYS better than cure.
Oh shit it looks like I should have logged in as Infidel, what a twat.
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threesixty
9:41 Mon Jan 9
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Overbyer
"Ok Mike, what was the other viable option at the time PFI was flagshipped, bearing in mind that the NHS, the Department for Education, HMRC, HM Courts Services, MOD/Defence Estates, Local Authorities all selected the PFI option as the best model to deliver their respective infrastructure facilities, maintenance and operational requirements."
Mmmm..
When the government needed money for bailing out the banks they seem to find billions in cash no problem. But when it comes to investing in public services for the good of the people they find no possible way than to give investors obscene guaranteed profits over 30 yrs for their precious "investment".
It's like the football laundering thing I mentioned on another thread. People in power make deals with their friends to siphon money out of the system. They do it in broad daylight just like labour did here. It's just that this is tax payers money not a private business like Man U.
I've said for months now that the issue with our country is not the EU but OUR OWN POLITICIANS selling us out time and time again and deflecting blame for their failings on to someone else. When will we wake up?
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ray winstone
9:38 Mon Jan 9
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Isn't that what the Tories are attempting to do? Cut the NHS, let a few die in the corridors, nice work.
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stewie griffin
9:01 Mon Jan 9
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People, who are mostly cunts, are living too long. That's the problem. We need a cull.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:50 Mon Jan 9
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And let's get one thing straight, the UK self-evidently doesn't have a wonderful healthcare system - if it did, we wouldn't be wasting our time discussing where it all went wrong.
So let's forget the, 'the NHS is the best in the world' nonsense that is so immensely destructive to clear and constructive thinking on the best way forward.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:44 Mon Jan 9
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Intense competition between competitor companies has led to huge consumer savings in electricity and gas. Almost everything negative since privatisation can be laid at the door of government imposed, usually bogus, 'green' levies that would have been similarly levied on the old 'boards'.
As for rail, commuter services are a massively expensive disaster now as they were before privatisation (and who knows how British Rail would have coped with the veritable explosion in journey numbers that has occurred - there is literally nothing in their record to suggest they would) , but as anyone who has travelled from London to Manchester for a tenner will confirm, competition has created consumer benefits there as well.
So, as far as I can see, and given what a mess it is at the moment, I can't see much to fear from further limited privatisation within the NHS.
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Capitol Man
5:12 Mon Jan 9
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Of al, the privatizations Britain went through in the last, which ones would you describe as delivering the best results of the end user. Electricity, gas, British Rail perhaps.
There's this myth that those on the right like to push that all you have to do is sprinkle some free market pixie dish on everything and it magically solves your problems.
The reality is that perhaps you main gain a little in efficiency when you privatize, but you lose that when a company with shareholders needs to make profit.
He U.K. Has a wonderful healthcare system, but you need to be realistic on what is spent on it. You can't have low taxes and good public services.
You privatize the NHS extent and you are the fools that will end up paying.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:57 Mon Jan 9
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Because it's run for the benefit of its managers, its staff and its patients in that order.
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orwells tragedy
12:28 Mon Jan 9
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Please don't tell me we are really going to waste another £350m a week on the Labour vote winning game?
Why is the NHS the 5th largest employer in the world?
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stomper
12:28 Mon Jan 9
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Capitol Man 6:19 Sun Jan 8
$1,000? Pah thats nothing! I erroneously was charged $50,000 for in-patient Kidney Cancer treatment! It was a mistake, the insurance covered it, but once its in the computer it has to be true.
I'm currently paying $500 for seeing an admitting Doctor in the ER when I was admitted unconscious with pneumonia.
Apparently its not covered by insurance because I didnt make an appointment.
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Capitol Man
11:43 Sun Jan 8
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It'll be fine once all that EU money that
johnson, Farage and that noncey one promised comes on tap. NHS will be rolling in it.
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Nurse Ratched
11:20 Sun Jan 8
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Ok, that's just bizarre.
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overbyyer
11:18 Sun Jan 8
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Of course you'd like to use the phrase PFI Nazi's but you'd be more offended at being Godwin'ed than anything else.
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Nurse Ratched
11:14 Sun Jan 8
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There is no 'answer', because the damage has been done by incompetent people like you, who are so stupid you locked us in to egregiously expensive contracts.
Labour: buying votes today with your grandchildren's money.
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overbyyer
11:06 Sun Jan 8
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You dont have a reasonable answer.
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Nurse Ratched
11:04 Sun Jan 8
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You turn my stomach.
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overbyyer
11:01 Sun Jan 8
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I don't need your congratulations, PFI delivered facilities we'd never have had but you either cant or wont accept it.
Every built asset has a cost, but the PFI costs that sources like Private Eye refer to also include for the maintenance, operation, replacement and, if necessary, the demolition of the asset. You cannot make a cost comparison on that extent of responsibility over a period running for up to 40 years without factoring in risk costs as well.
But you never see that detail publicised because it spoils the story.
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Nurse Ratched
10:51 Sun Jan 8
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Congratulations. You are the first parent in human history who wants a better standard of living for himself than for his kids.
The PFI debt is added to the country's total debt pile. But lefties like you never think of debt as being a bad thing. Tax payers' money isn't real money. Waste isn't that big a deal. Someone else can pay for it. Our children didn't vote for the politicians who promoted these policies, but thanks to people like you and your incompetence, they are saddled with the debt. It's morally indefensible.
Are you woefully incompetent in every area of your life, or just your worklife?
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Gavros
10:45 Sun Jan 8
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My brother used to work on IT infrastructure for the NHS. Then along came Labour with their PFI ideas and he and everyone else left, set up as limited companies, and went straight back to the same job for at least twice the money.
He started a new job last week. Working as a site manager on the restoration of Parliament. He's cleaned up big time.
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overbyyer
10:42 Sun Jan 8
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Nurse Ratched wrote...
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My grandchildren will still be paying off that load of old shit you helped engineer.
Any reader of Private Eye will know what an absolute hash you made of it.
Yes, so will mine, but they will also have use of those very facilities from cradle to grave, rather than the hovels that we had and would still have if the PFI model hadn't delivered.
And all you Tory boys need to remember that a vast amount of PFI equity is held by Pension Funds, as it is seen as a bullet proof haven, underwritten by the Governement itself.
Has anyone's tax rate gone up as a result of PFI?
No.
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Mike Oxsaw
10:36 Sun Jan 8
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overbyyer 8:59 Sun Jan 8
I asked YOU to list the alternatives. Not even a binary choice and you still bottled it.
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